Fannish Argosies

And then only on alternate Thursdays. When it was raining.

*snicker*

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The New York Dolls were actually protopunk... just to throw another term atcha.

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Yeah. You're never coming to my house again. Ever.

As for dealing with the punkier than thou people, you could try reminding them that punk was never really about the music. It's not about the clothes either. The music and clothes were just an expression of the attitude.

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Now, now, I wasn't bashing. Just saying I didn't get it. To each his own, and all that. Perhaps part of the problem is that I don't really get the "attitude" either.

You wouldn't ban me from your home, y'know. That would deprive you of entertainment and mocking ;P

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It's for your own safety.

My husband might kill you if he found this out.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you own some Dropkick Murphies albums?

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Just for not liking punk? That's harsh.

I don't own any of their albums, just random songs. I like the ones that are more celtic rock-ish than punk. The other songs are just too loud and screamy for my taste.

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Just for not liking punk. And I might just help him.

I'm thinking that you may not have been exposed to enough punk. Shut up, don't argue with me in your brain until you've read what I have to type. I mean it. Shut up. Okay? Okay.

I understand, to a certain degree, why you might think you don't like punk. Yes, there are bands out there that play one chord and sing like crap. But there are many bands that don't. Punk is generally a stripped down sound, but that doesn't mean it's any less musical. And before you think, as you usually do, that I don't have a clue what I'm talking about I would take this moment to remind you that I was a music major in college. I know music. I would suggest that you listen to more of the West Coast punk... NOFX, Nerfherder, and, oh, here's one you might know... Green Day. And I don't give a frak what the snarky old farts say, Green Day IS punk. I live with a NYC punk who spent his formative years in CBGB's... and even he admits Green Day is punk. It's more pop than a lot of the mid-80's stuff, but it's still punk. It's also my preferred punk. I LOVE Nerfherder. And if you want to expand your horizons a bit more, I might even suggest a couple of *gasp* ska bands. I don't like ska, not my thing, but I like Goldfinger and Dance Hall Crashers. Especially Dance Hall Crashers... it's a female ska band. They lost the horns and became the Soviettes... which is a sort of punk band. They majorly influenced one of my new favorite girl bands... Go Betty Go. I like West Coast punk, pop punk, and Oi... and I think you might too if you give it a chance and if you try to listen to it without prejudice.

But you still can't come to my house. Maligning the Ramones is a killing offense in this household.

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Ok, whoa. I never said you didn't know what you were talking about. But I know music, too, and I know what I like. I'm willing to give anything a try when it comes to music. I've tried punk, didn't like anything I heard, no big deal. I'm always willing to listen to more, but I don't go out of my way for it.

I've tried ska, too, and there are a few things I've liked. I like some Green Day, but not all of it. I just don't like screamy music, full stop. It's the reason I skip over half the tracks on my Linkin Park CDs - when the bands start screaming, I'm done.

I'd come anyway and play weird music back at you. But not if I'm to be preached at like I'm just so sheltered b/c I don't care for something.

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I don't like screamy music either. I'm a vocalist, and screaming hurts my brain. I'm just saying, considering who I live with, I've probably been exposed to more punk than you, and maybe you should try a different type of punk before you give up on the genre completely. Like any genre, there are little offshoots and branches that are definitely interest. I suggested West Coast punk, but you could also look into horror pop or psychobilly. Those are also considered punk, but they're sort of out there and way different than anything else. Just because you don't like brussel sprouts doesn't mean you won't like all vegetables, so why don't you try some broccoli or some corn. Not preaching... advocating.

And you never say I don't know what I'm talking about, but you always assume it. I was heading that bus off at the pass.

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Yeah, thanks for that little assumption on your part.

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Assumption based on past experience, dear. Been that way since you visited in NYC, there was a definite shift. That's fine, can't change the way people think, and most of the time it suits my purposes to allow people to underestimate me.

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I don't really know what you're talking about, but I'm gonna stop arguing about it b/c obviously you know what I'm thinking better than I do.

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Don't know what you're thinking. Just know what it feels like on this end.

And I didn't realize we were arguing. I was just discussing. Sorry.

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deborak

It's kinda funny that I can't imagine * what * community you'd be in that was discussing punk, as clearly that is the opposite of your tastes, LOL.

Now, speaking as someone who was actually an living teenager during the punk era who went to concerts by the Dead Kennedys, The Ramones, The Clash, etc. in their heyday -- someone who was actually in a horrible punk band, and lived that kind of semi-homeless lifestyle of crashing on people's floors one step ahead of the police while your roommate is outside banging Henry Rollins in Black Flag's van -- I can attest that 95% of the punk genre is just indeed screaming noise intended to release aggression that would otherwise manifest in serial killings or professional sports.

It's all a matter of taste, and it's stupid to argue about 'street cred' especially if you weren't even alive when the music was created. I would rather listen to thrash punk than rap, even though the message in either is incomprehensible most of the time.

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Heh,

audiography is for sharing music of all sorts, with weekly themes. This week just happened to be punk. Some weeks I snag tons of stuff, and others nothing at all. But on the whole I've found some great new music there.

I must be terribly boring, b/c I don't see how any of that was fun. But that's probably due to watching how that kind of lifestyle has left my sister thoroughly messed up and going nowhere.

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deborak

Oh indeed, it was not fun and in no way am I trying to make it sound cool or glorius. It just happened to be better than my other options at the time, which were in another category of "not fun" altogether.

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I actually never really listened to punk, myself. I listened to some later punk-pop back in my middle school/early high school days, I think, but it was never my favorite. Thus, I would be one of the people disliked on that group b/c I am quite sure I have never really listened to "true" punk.

Also, they probably wouldn't like me for thinking that my alt-rock band Breaking Benjamin does their one punk song better than most punk I've heard. ;-p

At least they're not having an emo vs. punk war.

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I guess that would be pop-punk, rather. I think. I fail at punk.

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At least they're not having an emo vs. punk war.

Ha! God help us all if they do. *g*

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Apparently, there are even various classifications of emo. I had a discussion about that with a friend, but we can only ever remember screamo because it's more distinctive.

Anywho, I will be making a music post of interest to you, soonly.

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Nifty! I've been making lists of songs to put in your mix, so I'll have that to you as soon as I decide on them :)

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